Try to look at this site. A new song by Smashing Pummpkins or Zwan every day. Great concept, great page. All that has ever been posted on that page, were live Smashing Pumpkins and Zwan shows, plus Smashing Pumpkins demos. The music, that Billy himself encouraged people to spread online. Well... now the site is being closed by... a Danish music copyrirght lawes caretaker organisation called KODA. The guy who made the page dindn't do it for profit of any kind. He just loves Billy Corgan's music, and made it more available for others. But KODA are protecting the 'artist's interest', of course... Bullshit.
From: Nowhere
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 115
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What!?! Someone spoke of Americans and Canadians not wanting to pay $5.33 a song? Blashphemy. Ban! Ban! I ban thee! No one shall share music, for it is a grave sin. We in the Admin world call it soul stealing -- you communists. Sharing, sharing is communism! Communism!
From: dallas
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 17
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stupid fuckin idiot record companys, they are going to piss everyone off to the point where there sales wont amount to anymore then a couple of thousand dollars a year.. pity them, they made sevral billion last year, even tho piracy on the internet was rapant...
this my friends is why some peopple have no problems pirating thousands of songs on the internet, downloading them where they can, letting their friends have ftp access to all their songs, and these people dont feel a bit of guilt, because they know the record companies are screwing everyone else over. and yes, in this case, they think that 2 wrongs do make a right.
From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 186
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Record cos are just showing themselves up to be full of shit. If you want people to pay for your artists, you shouldn't treat them like shit. Consider that an artist gets get about 1/12 of the profit from a CD. The greedy record company fatcats are making all the money for someone elses work.
I'd rather pay 10 quid or whatever for a CD directly to the artist, and know it was ALL going to them, and thats the way it will probably go. Most record companies try to squeeze the normal music buyer out of every penny they have.
Its a sad day when dailysp is being shut down merely because it contains music(which is unavailable to buy) by an artist the owner loves, and does not make profit from. They're actually losing money because they have to host it etc.
I'd really love this to be taken up by BC. I'm sure he'd tell KODA that he doesnt need his 'interests' protecting. This person put alot of effort into dailysp, and its sad to see it all being flushed away.
My faith in the music industry has suffered a huge blow tonight.
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From: Crystal Lake, IL
Registered: Fri January 24 2003 Posts: 173
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That is just simply horrible, I tired to send a mean letter to that place but I didn not know what they were asking of me because of the different lanuage, so... But anyways this not getting free music is shit! I have also heard that they[record companies] or so I am guessing, are getting back on the "stealing music" thing again. Fuck them, I will have all the free music I want and put it up as long as I want. Most artist do not even mind.
From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 186
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The record cos don't realise that the reason people are buying less cds is because they're simply priced too high.
If I like mp3s ive downloaded, ill buy the album without doubt. if i dont i wont buy it. why shouldnt I be able to find out if its going to be a valuable purchase first? Im not made of money. if copyrighted mp3s are abolished, the music industry WILL collapse. I know a few wankstains who never pay for albums, and just rip them, but they wouldnt pay for them anyway, since their interest in music is pretty transient.
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quote:Originally posted by Inverse Midas: The record cos don't realise that the reason people are buying less cds is because they're simply priced too high.
Uh... cd sales are on an upswing... thanks mostly to the internet, ironically.
quote:Originally posted by Shaunna Leigh: zwan: it's not the band i hate, it's their fans.
From: dallas
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 17
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if i hadnt downloaded the zwan album first, i would have never gone out and purchased it, when i first heard zwan i heard a very crappy live bootleg and thought it sucked, then i heard the album had been leaked so i decided to give it one more chance, since that time, i have spent close to $100 on zwan stuff. if i had never downloaded it, i never would have gone out and spent the money on it.
c*nts. that seriously is not cool, why does that company have the jurisdiction to do so anyway? what is the company? that sites been around for donkeys years, we gotta take this up with someone :/ that guy has always goen out of his way to provide music for us...i think we owe it to him
From: st. cloud, MN, USA
Registered: Tue January 28 2003 Posts: 157
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there seriously has to be something we can do about this bullshat. who can i write to, call, email?!? if someone tells me i seriously will send something off, as should everyone else in this country, or any other that is under horrendus crap laws like this. the invasion of privacy companies are being able to exert is atrocious, and shutting down such a site is totally bogus.
seriously, i want to know what can be done about this. #$^@ iraq, lets settle domestic problems first
From: Walla Walla, WA
Registered: Fri January 24 2003 Posts: 128
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The final call should be left to the artist, not some organization that has no affiliation with SP or Zwan. They have no right to say what can and cannot be done with music that does not belong to them. The band is okay with live recordings, heck in the past Zwan has made live mp3 files available on their website as well as creating all sorts of streaming live goodies. So I think ther notion of letting live bootlegs circulate to some extent should be of a lot more wight than the mission of some weird organization the artists probably don't even know exists.
It's really sad Daily SP is gone, it was such a good site. You could actually get mp3's there, and he was in the process of hosting Mashed Potatoes. He lives in Denmark, that's why Danish copyright laws got him. It's a really a shame the site is gone, I got so much music there. Anyone else sharing Mashed Potatoes in mp3?
From: Denmark
Registered: Wed January 29 2003 Posts: 23
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just to update y'all on the situation, they're now telling me I have to pay for the use of the music for the duration I've made it available. So I'll probably be getting a nice big bill. Fuckitall. Thanks for the support though, guys.
quote:Originally posted by plume: just to update y'all on the situation, they're now telling me I have to pay for the use of the music for the duration I've made it available. So I'll probably be getting a nice big bill. Fuckitall. Thanks for the support though, guys.
From: Sweden
Registered: Sun February 02 2003 Posts: 2
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This is awful!
Site admins; will you please inform Billy about this? Plume has done nothing wrong, and I'm sure that the Pumpkins are really glad for what he did - after all - they wanted the music to be spread.
From: Spain, where el sol never sets.
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 24
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I am desolated.
That site has been a great source of Billy's music for me. It gave me the opportunity to listen to "The Vigil", "Holiday" and "Cross", the very first songs from the Pumpkins to be recorded, and lots more of awesome material.
Since 90% of the music offered by the site were live shows and rarities spread by Corgan himself... what the fuck have copyrights to do with it?
We live in a world where no one cares about art. It's a lame excuse to make money. By the way, the danish webmaster was a very nice person. I haven't even emailed him, but he showed a huge interest for the site to keep going, even if he didn't have the time.
I mean, he's not the one to pursue.
Fuck you, evil greedy lawyers.
"I've built my temples well / To speak your name alone" ZWAN - The Empty Sea
From: PA
Registered: Fri January 24 2003 Posts: 68
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quote:Originally posted by plume: just to update y'all on the situation, they're now telling me I have to pay for the use of the music for the duration I've made it available. So I'll probably be getting a nice big bill. Fuckitall. Thanks for the support though, guys.
Damn, plume. Denmark, freakin' sucks. Thank you so much for hosting everything over the years though. You've introduced me to so much great Pumpkins and Zwan.
From: PA
Registered: Fri January 24 2003 Posts: 68
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quote:Originally posted by WhiteKnight:
quote:Originally posted by Inverse Midas: The record cos don't realise that the reason people are buying less cds is because they're simply priced too high.
Uh... cd sales are on an upswing... thanks mostly to the internet, ironically.
quote:Originally posted by Shaunna Leigh: zwan: it's not the band i hate, it's their fans.
Are you sure about that? Not from what I've heard.
From: Denmark
Registered: Wed January 29 2003 Posts: 23
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quote:Originally posted by JackGhost: How much do you have to pay, and who do you have to pay it too?
I don't understand how a third party can charge you for music that isn't copyrighted by them.
I don't actually know how much yet. But I'm expecting it to be a lot since the site was running for a long time. I have to give my address to the legal advisor so he can contact me via snail mail and we can arrange things. I'm still thinking of running off to Puerto Rico or something hehe. But I'll have to pay it to KODA. Basically they handle the rights to music in Denmark. So I imagine Virgin and other record companies has an agreement with them, an agreement that let's KODA pursue Virgin's copyright claims. And according to the lawyer I have made available copyrighted material, it doesn't matter that it's live stuff. If I put up a live Porcelina it's the same as putting up the CD version. Apparently. And it doesn't matter that I didn't know live shows were covered by the copyright law or that I wasn't making a profit ór that Billy wanted some of the stuff to be released. I don't think Billy could even do anything about it if he knew.
I really don't appreciate someone speaking for me... especially when it regards my opinion so please do not do it again inverse midas...
i'm extremely in favor of spreading Zwan and SP material, but material that is legal to spread online, like live recordings (which I have several of myself)... copyrighted/distributed music is bound to get you in trouble, especially if you offer it through a website... boots are great, and if the site owner got in trouble for just offering live material (assuming its not earphoria or any other copyrighted live material) then that really sucks, and i don't think its fair at all.
From: Dallas, TX, USA
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 51
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At most they should of just given you a warning and told you to stop. Not charge you! hopefully its not going to be too bad, but if it is just dont pay it! Tell them to fuck off!!! I'd like to see them try to arrest you! Belive me, it wont happen, and if it does, you can rest assure there will be rioting in the streets!
From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 186
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quote:Originally posted by the silent one: I really don't appreciate someone speaking for me... especially when it regards my opinion so please do not do it again inverse midas...
Screw you! (in a friendly way) .
Sorry, but I was in a bad mood because of all of this. SPdiary has like always been there man... and now its not. It's sad. I spose with the whole issue regarding mods banning people posting mp3s i was pissed off. Im fed up of red tape, and money controlling everything. music shouldnt be about money. too many people are making huge pots of money from zwan and their fans, whilst also taking music away from the fans.
I wasnt referring to you specifically silent one, but im referring to the general attitude of the mods on here recently.
so really, you have nothing to be pissed about.
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From: Colorado Springs, CO, USA
Registered: Tue January 28 2003 Posts: 10
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Plume, are you sure this is legitamate? I mean someone could be running a scam on you. Live recordings aren't copyrighted, I don't think. You may want to check out your own rights first.
From: Denmark
Registered: Wed January 29 2003 Posts: 23
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quote:Originally posted by jenniferthepixie: Plume, are you sure this is legitamate? I mean someone could be running a scam on you. Live recordings aren't copyrighted, I don't think. You may want to check out your own rights first.
Be careful, we're all fragile
I'm sure it's legitimate. KODA is a Danish organization and the email is from their domain. Plus I've done a google search and seen that I'm not the only one they have approached about copyright issues. I still don't think it's reasonable that they go after sites like mine. Free live music. Demos. But I don't really see a way out. I have a friend who has a friend who knows law, who is going to take a look at the emails they sent me. But I still think it'll end up with me paying for it. Literally.
From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 186
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quote:Originally posted by plume:
quote:Originally posted by jenniferthepixie: Plume, are you sure this is legitamate? I mean someone could be running a scam on you. Live recordings aren't copyrighted, I don't think. You may want to check out your own rights first.
Be careful, we're all fragile
I'm sure it's legitimate. KODA is a Danish organization and the email is from their domain. Plus I've done a google search and seen that I'm not the only one they have approached about copyright issues. I still don't think it's reasonable that they go after sites like mine. Free live music. Demos. But I don't really see a way out. I have a friend who has a friend who knows law, who is going to take a look at the emails they sent me. But I still think it'll end up with me paying for it. Literally.
Keep everyone updated, Daily SP was one of my favorite sites, and I downloaded plenty of songs there. Petition, fund-raiser, whatever, I think its safe to say people want to help you out for giving us great music.
From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 186
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quote:Originally posted by thrueyesofruby: Keep everyone updated, Daily SP was one of my favorite sites, and I downloaded plenty of songs there. Petition, fund-raiser, whatever, I think its safe to say people want to help you out for giving us great music.
Yeah, I'd definitely pay into a fundraiser thing if needs be. It'll be ok plume man. .
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but if only we could have gotten to the end of the mashed potatoes....i was really enjoying those
our collections were almost complete i mean where the fuck else are we supposed to get the old demos and rareitys?
i looked into koda because i thought it might be a scam too..... but no....they exist.....fucking FARTKNOCKERS!!!!!!!
I'll just be a little pissed off for the rest of the year....or untill i can get the last 3 mashed potatoes disks....but i doubt it...so i'll just be pissed off.
it seems the only good thing going on in life these days is ZWAN's new CD.
I will always love the music...they cant take away our memories....
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