i read about the guy from the http://dailysp.diaryland.com/ site and I think this is very wrong.. why should he pay for placing the live boots on his site for everyone to enjoy? how is this possible? this can ruin his life.. I think Billy& Co should do something.. maybe the admins should bring this to their atention. thank you
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From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 191
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quote:Originally posted by Orestes: i read about the guy from the http://dailysp.diaryland.com/ site and I think this is very wrong.. why should he pay for placing the live boots on his site for everyone to enjoy? how is this possible? this can ruin his life.. I think Billy& Co should do something.. maybe the admins should bring this to their atention. thank you
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Yeah I agree. Pleeeese admin? .
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From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 191
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quote:Originally posted by bodhisattva: i think its a shame that some weird govt. agency there is doing that.
that some translation in their official files is saying that songs by these bands are copyrighted, regardless if they are live or not.
but i was under the impression that he'd only be charged for it if he kept it up.
so i think if he takes it down, he's in the clear.
it still sucks that the service he provided is gone.
If he/she is going to get charged, would it be possible for you to get some sort of message to Billy about it? He could at least help out financially, maybe.
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quote:Originally posted by bodhisattva: i think its a shame that some weird govt. agency there is doing that.
that some translation in their official files is saying that songs by these bands are copyrighted, regardless if they are live or not.
but i was under the impression that he'd only be charged for it if he kept it up.
so i think if he takes it down, he's in the clear.
it still sucks that the service he provided is gone.
i don't think so, he says that he has to pay for all his site's activity, that including the past. he personally said that "he fucked up his future"read what he says on his page..he needs help 4 sure!
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this pisses me off so fucking much. Making him take it down is one thing, but charging him the for the duration that the site has been up is rediculous. I really wish there was someway i could help him out. I hope he finds a way out of this. This world is overun w/ greedy power hungary people who love nothing better than breaking other people who are already struggling just to make it. I wish Billy hadnt givin up on trying to save the world...
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From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 191
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quote:Originally posted by kwame616: this pisses me off so fucking much. Making him take it down is one thing, but charging him the for the duration that the site has been up is rediculous. I really wish there was someway i could help him out. I hope he finds a way out of this. This world is overun w/ greedy power hungary people who love nothing better than breaking other people who are already struggling just to make it. I wish Billy hadnt givin up on trying to save the world...
"...cuz she was carazy...rat-tat-tat, ka boom boom, now take that, and just a bit of this"
He just moved onto better things, like trying to order the most expensive meal at McDonalds.
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From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 191
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quote:Originally posted by bodhisattva: why doesn't someone step up and claim the site was theres, that he was merely paying the bills as a gift to a US citizen?
Nice of you to volunteer Bodhis! . I'm not from the U.S, and it sounds pretty risky.
I'd put some money into helping plume get by thouhg. just a bit. cos im a skint student.
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From: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Registered: Mon January 27 2003 Posts: 4
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I dont think copyright agencies can charge him for that, the only person that could charge someone for copyright violation is the owner, isnt it?? ... if the owner says its ok, there shouldnt be any copyright violation, no charging at all by any copyright agency. it wouldnt even make sense.
quote:Originally posted by OrcsBR: I dont think copyright agencies can charge him for that, the only person that could charge someone for copyright violation is the owner, isnt it?? ... if the owner says its ok, there shouldnt be any copyright violation, no charging at all by any copyright agency. it wouldnt even make sense.
Anyway, something must be done.
hey, if you know more about copywright policies you should contact that guy thru his website and give him some edvice cuz he definitly needs it
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can a couple of fans get together and host it for him? im not really sure whats stopping him from just sayin fuck the danish goverment and doing his thing with some non-danish people.
quote:Originally posted by wolfgang: why doesnt he switch servers or something?
wouldnt that get around it?
can a couple of fans get together and host it for him? im not really sure whats stopping him from just sayin fuck the danish goverment and doing his thing with some non-danish people.
this isnt really zwan related,tho...
he is a Zwan fan in trouble and you say this is not ZWAN related?
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From: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Registered: Mon January 27 2003 Posts: 4
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Wolfgang, he says on his site that they are now trying to charge him for the time the site was on air...
Yeah, i also think he needs advice. Though i dont know much about copyright policies and agencies here on brazil, let alone there on denmark. Though im a law student and it came to my mind as pretty intuitive that only the owner can charge someone for violating copytight. I mean, copyright agencies can have some kind of power delegation for that, but i guess everything comes from the original author's rights.
So yeah, if the situation keeps on, i think the band should know what has been done on their behalf.
edit: oh yeah, what about the label rights over copyrighted stuff? i dont really know much about that either
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From: Cybertron
Registered: Fri January 24 2003 Posts: 108
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that's pretty crazy.
I'm actually in an Intellectual Property class this semester.
Theoretically, every time a band plays one of their songs live, that performance has a copyright attached to it.
If one received the band's permission to record performances and make them available for download, that would (I think) be enough to make it legal.
I'm not sure if it's necessarily true that only Zwan/Reprise could charge him with copyright infringement - I mean, the cops could charge me for assaulting John Doe.
If Denmark has agencies set up to look for possible copyright infringement, they might have a "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality.
Music piracy is a pretty rampant problem right now, and no one is entirely sure how to deal with it.
Unfortunately, things like this are going to happen before everything's sorted out.
From: san diego, CA
Registered: Fri January 24 2003 Posts: 46
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quote:Originally posted by an eroding sense of purpose: hold on a second... this man's future was based on a Smashing Pumpkins web site? Is that correct?
why dosen't he just build another web site? or, work for a multi media corportation? this dosen't make any sense...
i agree, it doesn't make much sense to me as well. i don't understand how a foreign company who doesn't even own the music can do that... ah, i'm just reiterating. the points have been made already. i reaaaaallly hope something gets done to help this guy.
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quote:Originally posted by an eroding sense of purpose: hold on a second... this man's future was based on a Smashing Pumpkins web site? Is that correct?
no, he means with all the money he has to pay back / legal battles, he will be fucked for the foreseeable future
From: Leeds, Yorks, England
Registered: Sat January 25 2003 Posts: 191
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Yeah, thanks alot Wolf and Bod. I apologise for my insolence prior to this thread. If you guys can help(or even try to help) Plume then I have a lot of respect for you for that. Thankyou. .
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Ok, let me start off with saying that I'm a dane, so this concerns me quite a bit. Nevertheless, danish laws are pretty harsh. The danish company CODA are caretakers of whatever music is played, whether live or from record. They pay the artists in relation to how much their music is played. As a rule, every radio station/band/website in Denmark has to refer what they provide to CODA, otherwise you f*** up the system. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Had he chosen to contact the rightful owners of the music (eg. Corgan/Virgin/publishing company?) and confirmed this with CODA, these problems would've probably never arised. I know that these restrictions will seem pretty harsh to y'all, but that's the way it is, and the owner of the website knew that, as situations like his have been all over the media during the last couple of years. That's what it's like living in a country where the cheapest 25 cd-r spindle you'll find will cost you 18$. As a musician, I have to say that these laws actually enable many people to play music for a living. That wouldn't have been possible if everything was available for free. In general, it's a very good thing.
From: Denmark
Registered: Wed January 29 2003 Posts: 25
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and let me copy my response:
quote:Originally posted by cdyrlund: danish laws are pretty harsh. The danish company CODA are caretakers of whatever music is played, whether live or from record. They pay the artists in relation to how much their music is played. As a rule, every radio station/band/website in Denmark has to refer what they provide to CODA, otherwise you f*** up the system. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Had he chosen to contact the rightful owners of the music (eg. Corgan/Virgin/publishing company?) and confirmed this with CODA, these problems would've probably never arised. I know that these restrictions will seem pretty harsh to y'all, but that's the way it is, and the owner of the website knew that, as situations like his have been all over the media during the last couple of years. That's what it's like living in a country where the cheapest 25 cd-r spindle you'll find will cost you 18$. As a musician, I have to say that these laws actually enable many people to play music for a living. That wouldn't have been possible if everything was available for free. In general, it's a very good thing.
I'll have to stress that although plume had no commercial interests in this, it is impossible to live in Denmark and not know that this is illegal. However, CODA has dropped charges before after the sites they were after had been taken offline.
Greetings, Christian Dyrlund Jacobsen
I have to disagree with you. It IS possible to live in Denmark and not know this. I never knew there was anything illegal about putting up live music for download. You can call me stupid and naive but I never for a second thought there could be anything wrong with it since it's not music that can be bought in any stores. So please don't say that I knew that, you don't know what I knew. I'm afraid of course that the lawyers will say the same. That I knew about it and therefore willfully broke the law. As far as I can tell my only hope is to claim the truth which is that I was unaware. There's a difference between "fortsæt og uagtsomhed". I was unaware. I fucking was. Why would I risk breaking the law for something that I got no personal gain from whatsoever? I'll probably end up paying for this anyhow but don't tell me that I knew. I haven't heard of any cases against people who had websites with live music. I remember the case were two young guys were convicted (and one of them killed himself) but that was a case about real musical piracy, actually ripping albums and singles and putting them online. That's wrong and I know that. I never knew that live music was covered by the same rules. It still doesn't make sense to me.
... At this point I'm not interested in carrying on the site at all. It's completely over. It wouldn't help me to switch to a host in another country because that doesn't change the past. And they're asking me to pay backwards for all the time I've made the music available. To Wolfgang, I don't know if you were or will be able to talk to the band about it at all. I would really appreciate that of course. I just don't think Billy can do anything about the legal issue since KODA does actually handle the copyrights in Denmark. I don't think they'll back off even if Billy said so. And I doubt Billy would or could go around paying people to help them when they're in trouble. So I don't know if there's much he can do to help. I'd still like to hear his opinion of course.
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